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post Jun 25 2011, 09:55 AM
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The person that I bought them from finally got back to me as to what variant they are. They told me that they are Kampampa's which is the Zaire variant. They stated that they are more hardy variant that will color up more as they grow. Is this a pretty commion variant? From the photos that Heather had on her post, I would have sworn that they are Burundi's. I hope others will chime in as to their thoughts about this.


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post Jun 25 2011, 03:55 PM
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Unless those photos are misleading they look Burundi to me. In that type of light it's hard to judge their true color, so I'm going mostly by what looks more like a solid stripe through the eye as opposed to a mask-- true Zaires (or full blooded rather than mixed) should have what looks roughly like a checkerboard pattern on the forehead, also a bar horizontal to the eye across the 'nose'. Can you get clearer/closer photos of the head? What kind of price were they?

As far as Kapampas or Zaires being inherently more hardy than other fronts, that's nonsense... or maybe salesmanship. Maybe whoever it was actually believes it for some reason but fronts in general are pretty hardy fish and I've had both Kapampa and Burundi (and Kigoma) and I've seen no difference in that respect... maybe if you get some of the poorly bred Burundi you sometimes see at lfs, they will have more problems, but even then the difference seems more cosmetic than health based.


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post Jun 25 2011, 03:58 PM
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Maybe this will help. At one point I temporarily had a Burundi in my Kapampa tank and had taken this side by side shot for comparison.




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post Jun 25 2011, 11:43 PM
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Neutrinoman,

Based on the 2 fish in your photo, I'd say, mine look more like the far one rather than the near one.




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post Jun 26 2011, 07:06 PM
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Sounds consistent with your photos, then, where they look like Burundi imo. In my photo you can see the checkerboard-like pattern I mentioned above in the foreground fish, which is the Kapampa, and the solid eye stripe in the background fish (Burundi). Also, in Zaires, the stripe tends to taper below the eye onto the cheek. However they are still only showing 5 stripes. The stripe thru their face is very light. Is this normal for Mpimbwe. How far this marking goes down the cheek will vary with individual Zaire (and sometimes with mood), sometimes ending not much below the eye.

If you can see them well enough you could count the rows of scales between their upper and lower lateral lines. Kapampa will pretty clearly have 3 rows of scales, Burundi will have two. If you get some of each it could be they're mixed or cross-bred.

...I've seen people who didn't really know fronts that will get fooled if they see Burundi with a lot of blue or a deep blue, being accustomed to the typical lfs Burundi that are typically mostly black and white with a little blue in the fins and maybe some faint blue on the face, etc. But some Burundi-- or any of the northern six stripe frontosa that may not technically be collected in Burundi but are typically labeled Burundi, or are what some call Burundi type--can have a lot of blue... I've occasionally seen people mislabel these as a Mpimbwe or a Zaire or, at times, intentionally mis-identify them as such.

...So far, sounds/looks like yours are Burundi... or possibly a mix.




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post Jul 7 2011, 09:11 PM
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They now seem to be getting used to the daylight bulbs. I'll try to get some better pics of them on here by the end of this weekend.


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post Dec 27 2011, 09:33 PM
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I thought that I would update this post.

I went to the basement this evening to feed the Fronts. and to also feed my wife's Koi and I ended up finding one of my Fronts. on the floor. It was dried out but not decomposed, so I think that it either happened late last night or sometime today. I don't understand how it could have jumped out. The tank is covered, all but about 1 to 2 inches along the back and the side of the tank in which I found it, is the side in which the overflow box is located. So, now I am down to 10 Fronts. I did have a problem with them getting into the overflow box when I first set the tank up, but I found that I had the overflow tubes too high, so I shortened them to keep the water level about 2 to 3 inches below the water level in the tank. I haven't had any issues since then.

Below are some photos of my existing Fronts, under daylight lighting, that I said that I would post. I don't think that they came out too bad considering that I took them with my smart phone. (Batteries are dead in the camera)




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post Dec 28 2011, 01:14 AM
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Looks like they're growing nicely. Looks like you've got a couple of big boys developing in your group. icon_thumbsup.gif


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