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> Please Explain Tropheus To Me!
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post Jan 5 2006, 05:15 PM
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Do tropheus usually hold full term or do ya'll strip and tumble?


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post Jan 5 2006, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(HeatherInNH @ Jan 5 2006, 04:15 PM) *
Do tropheus usually hold full term or do ya'll strip and tumble?


Oh Heather, you sure know how to pick a sensitive subject, but this is a good one.

To say it right up front:"I HATE STRIPPING". OK, there it is. Stripping eggs or fry is totally against nature. Stripping is usually done by commercial breeders to get the maximum amount of fry. That I am not interested in.

Then there is the other (sensitive) subject of imprinting. Some people believe there is no such thing with fish and surely there are others that believe the opposite. All I can say is that during my time with the German Cichlid Association we had several experiments going and came to the conclusion that there is imprinting in fish. It took the female fry that was stripped from their mother longer to hold full term then the ones that were left with their mother. So I personally believe that there is imprinting. I have a group of T. Murago that I am growing out. They are about 2" long and I had already 2 females carrying full term.

I found that at the first spawn, they will eat the eggs but the second time they will hold. Now I like to be politically correct here icon_mrgreen.gif , the above are my personal experiences.


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post Jan 5 2006, 08:20 PM
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Klaus..
I did NOT know about that study... do you have and links regarding it? What fish they use?

I COMPLETELY AGREE

I have NEVER stripped my Fronts, Malawians, or Eartheaters (especially).

I want my fish to learn to hold, and especially the malawians, do. All of my yellows I keep currently (many) are decendants from yellows I've had since I was young!!! I just let the females spit in the rocks in the tank. The strongest/smartest fry do not get eaten, and grow quickly! Less stressful for my girls too.... the females don't get harassed while holding because there are TONS of hiding spots.

Some Cyphos (zaires etc.) are known for not holding well... I may not have a choice with my Kitumbas we'll see when I get a whole colony together...

didn't know if Tropheus would be tough too...

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post Jan 6 2006, 09:45 PM
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Good question Heather...I don't strip either...none of my fish, I don't remove eggs. I agree on the imprinting in fish too Klaus. How many pairs of angelfish eat their eggs 100% of the time? It is so rare for angels to be good parents these days I think it is terrible. Angels are excellent parents in the wild, but the instinct is so far removed from them now they just can't. I would hate to see that relationship lost in tropheus too...although tropheus just spit and run, there is imprinting and that is how fish learn to be parents.


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post Jan 6 2006, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(Debbie @ Jan 6 2006, 08:45 PM) *
I would hate to see that relationship lost in tropheus too...although tropheus just spit and run, there is imprinting and that is how fish learn to be parents.


Debbie, Tropheus don't spit and run like many others. They look after their young for quite some time and will take them back into their mouth at any sign of danger.

I usually move my females after about 3 weeks into a 10 gal tank [attachment=395:attachment] and let them do their thing. After they release their babies, I keep them in that tank for another week to give the females some time to relax and regain their strength before I re-introduce them back into the group.


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post Jan 6 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Buntbarsch @ Jan 6 2006, 09:11 PM) *
Debbie, Tropheus don't spit and run like many others. They look after their young for quite some time and will take them back into their mouth at any sign of danger.


YOU MEAN LIKE EARTHEATERS/GEOPHAGUS?!!!!!!!



Looks like the tropheus fairy is going to be visiting.......

(hopefully the tropheus fairy is good at convincing hubbies)
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post Jan 6 2006, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(HeatherInNH @ Jan 6 2006, 09:25 PM) *
(hopefully the tropheus fairy is good at convincing hubbies)
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I don't think you will have a problem there. Us hubbies are sooo easy to convince.... wink...wink...


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post Jan 6 2006, 11:13 PM
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"Bunt"...you cant be telling all our secrets. oh well i guess its not that much of a secret...we tend to only think with one think on our minds.


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post Jan 7 2006, 03:18 AM
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See what I'm talking about...we cant help it...a little billing and cooing and we're putty in y'alls hands.


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post Jan 7 2006, 11:37 PM
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Hmmm...don't spit and run, I think mine do...unless they care for them in the ricks where I don't see them. Don't know, I'll have to try to arrange the rocks so that they can't hide from my sight. I spend a lot of time watching the tropheus tank since it is in my bedroom. I have had them for a little over 2 years and have never seen the Moms paying attention to them...wonder if mine are defective...I just might have to get more...and another tank. Or maybe try the 10 gallon tank with Mom and babies...that would be cool.

Heather there are some benefits to being single...like calling the tropheus fairy when you want to! But heck I'm sure it's fun to try to convince hubby that you really need more fish.


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